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Mary Kay Cabot of The Plain Dealer Talks Johnny Manziel on The RE Show – 6/1/15

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JOINING US RIGHT NOW ON "THE
RICH EISEN SHOW" IS MARY KAY
CABOT OF THE CLEVELAND PLAIN
DEALER, ONE OF THE BEST BEAT
WRITERS IN THE BUSINESS OF THE
NORTHEAST OHIO MEDIA GROUP,
JOINING ME HERE ON THE PROGRAM.
HOW ARE YOU, MARY KAY?
>> I'M DOING GREAT, RICH.
HOW YOU DOING?
>> I'M DOING FINE.
THE BROWNS SAID THIS WAS MUCH
ADO ABOUT NOTHING, THE WATER
BOTTLE STUFF AND THE FAN THAT
WAS BOTHERING JOHNNY MANZIEL.
DO THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT,
WITHIN THE WALLS, OR THIS TRULY
IS WHAT THEY SAY, WE SHOULD PAY
NO ATTENTION TO WHATEVER
HAPPENED WITH JOHNNY AND THE FAN
AT THE GOLF TOURNAMENT THIS
WEEKEND?
>> WELL, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN
REASONABLY SAY THAT IT'S NOTHING
TO PAY ATTENTION TO.
IT'S A RED FLAG.
IT'S A SIGN THAT JOHNNY PUT
HIMSELF IN A SITUATION THAT
COULD HAVE BEEN POTENTIALLY
DANGEROUS FOR HIM.
HE DIDN'T GET HIMSELF OUT OF
THERE QUICKLY ENOUGH AND HE
ALLOWED HIMSELF TO LOSE HIS
TEMPER.
I DO THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF
A RED FLAG.
I THINK IT BRINGS UP SOME†--
PROBABLY SOME OLD ISSUES AND
SOME THINGS HE PROBABLY DEALT
WITH WHEN HE WAS IN TREATMENT
FOR TEN WEEKS.
I THINK IT'S JUST ANOTHER SIGN
THAT JOHNNY HAS TO BE REALLY
CAREFUL AND HYPER VIGILANT
WHEREVER HE IS.
>> I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE TO DO
THIS NFL THING FOR ABOUT 12
YEARS.
WE'RE AT THAT POINT OF THE YEAR
WHERE STORIES LIKE THIS GET
BLOWN UP AND FREQUENTLY OUT OF
PROPORTION, BECAUSE WE ARE
TRYING TO GET TO THE KICKOFF, WE
ARE TRYING TO GET TO FOOTBALL,
ALL OF US IN THIS BUSINESS.
THAT SAID, I WANT TO PUT THIS IN
PERSPECTIVE FOR FANS WHO ARE
LISTENING OR WATCHING RIGHT NOW,
HOW DOES THIS MANIFEST ITSELF
WHEN THE PLAYING SEASON BEGINS?
HOW DOES THIS MANIFEST IN WINS
AND LOSSES?
I DON'T SEE THAT CERTAINLY IF
JOSH MCCOWN IS THE STARTER.
THAT'S THE STORY I THINK WE NEED
TO LASER LOCK IN IN.
IS McCOWN BASICALLY GOING TO
START THE SEASON AND IT DOESN'T
MATTER WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW
AND SEPTEMBER?
>> I THINK SO.
I THINK THEY'RE PREPARING JOSH
MCCOWN TO START THE SEASON.
THEY WANTED TO TAKE THE PRESSURE
OFF JOHNNY, LET HIM WORK ON HIS
AFTERCARE PROGRAM AND JUST KIND
OF GET TOGETHER AND ALSO BRING
HIM UP TO SPEED TO BECOME A PRO
NFL QUARTERBACK.
THEY RECOGNIZE THIS IS GOING TO
TAKE TIME.
HE'S A WORK IN PROGRESS.
HE STARTED FOR TWO YEARS IN
COLLEGE.
HE'S REALLY NOT 100% READY TO BE
THROWN IN THERE YET AND BE A
STARTER.
THEY RECOGNIZE THAT.
IT REALLY IS ALL ABOUT JOSH
MCCOWN RIGHT NOW.
THIS INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED WITH
JOHNNY AND OF COURSE EVERYTHING
THAT HAPPENS WITH JOHNNY IS
GOING TO BE WAY BLOWN OUT OF
PROPORTION AND BIGGER THAN IT
PROBABLY REALLY SHOULD BE.
BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
RIGHT NOW, IT ISN'T GOING TO
MATTER IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF
OPENING DAY BECAUSE JOSH
MCCOWN'S GOING TO BE THE
QUARTERBACK.
>> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, MARY
KAY, FOR BROWNS FANS WHO ARE
HOPING AGAINST HOPE THAT MANZIEL
CAN TURN INTO SOMETHING?
HERE'S A GUY THAT PERFORMED SO
POORLY IN ANOTHER SHOT THAT HE
RECEIVED FROM TAMPA LAST YEAR
THAT ANOTHER HEISMAN TROPHY
WINNER WAS CHOSEN AT NUMBER ONE
OVERALL TO FILL THAT SPOT AND
THAT ROLE.
JAMEIS WINSTON IS IN TAMPA
BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT McCOWN
PERFORMED SO POORLY THAT THEY
FINISHED FIRST OVERALL.
IT BOGGLES THE MIND THAT THIS IS
A GUY THEY ARE PUTTING IN FRONT
OF THE FAN BASE TO SAY THIS IS
OUR HOPE.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU'RE RIGHT.
IT IS VERY VERY HARD TO BELIEVE
AND IT'S A HARD SELL.
THAT'S PROBABLY THE FIRST STORY
THAT I DID WHEN JOSH MCCOWN CAME
TO TOWN, I GOT HIM ON THE PHONE
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT VERY
THING.
HE UNDERSTANDS THE PERCEPTION OF
HIM.
THE PEOPLE, HOWEVER, SOME OF THE
PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO IN THE
LEAGUE, THEY REALLY FEEL THAT
THERE IS SOMETHING TO JOSH
MCCOWN.
IF YOU LOOK BACK TO THE PREVIOUS
YEAR IN CHICAGO, THERE WAS TALK
THAT HE WAS BETTER THAN JAY
CUTLER AT THAT TIME.
HE WAS THROWING 13 TOUCHDOWN
PASSES AGAINST ONLY ONE
INTERCEPTION AND GOING 3-2 AND
PUTTING UP SOME REALLY GOOD
NUMBERS.
SOME GOOD FOOTBALL PEOPLE I HAVE
TALKED TO HAVE SAID THINGS THAT
HAPPENED IN TAMPA BAY LAST YEAR,
INCLUDING THE FACT THAT THEY
LOST THEIR OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR
ONE WEEK BEFORE THE SEASON FOR
THE WHOLE YEAR TO A HEART
AILMENT AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED
TO BE INSTALLING A NEW OFFENSE,
THEY WERE GOING BY THE SEAT OF
THEIR PANTS.
JOSH WAS TRYING TO DRAW UP PLAYS
BASICALLY IN THE DIRT AS HE WAS
GOING ALONG.
GOOD FOOTBALL PEOPLE HAVE TALKED
TO ME ABOUT THAT AND REALLY
RECOGNIZE THAT.
DOES THAT MEAN JOSH MCCOWN IS
THE LONG TERM FUTURE OF THE
CLEVELAND BROWNS, NO.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT HE WAS THE
BEST OPTION FOR THEM AS A BRIDGE
QUARTERBACK TO STABILIZE THE
SITUATION THIS YEAR AND TRY TO
BRING SANITY TO THE POSITION.
>> BUT THE OFFENSE THEY'RE
INSTALLING, IS THIS SOMETHING
THAT MANZIEL CAN OPERATE IF
McCOWN DOESN'T LAST A FULL
SEASON, WHICH HE HASN'T SHOWN
THAT HE CAN WHEN GIVEN THE
OPPORTUNITY TO BE THE FRONT FACE
STARTER OF A TEAM.
>> YOU KNOW WHAT, ABSOLUTELY.
IF JOHNNY MANZIEL DEMONSTRATES
THAT HE'S READY TO START A
FOOTBALL GAME, THE NEW OFFENSIVE
COORDINATOR OF THE BROWNS HAS
MADE IT CLEAR HE WILL DESIGN AN
OFFENSE THAT PLAYS TO JOHNNY
MANZIEL'S STRENGTHS.
THE REPORT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW
THAT THE BROWNS HAVE MOVED ON
FROM HIM AND THIS OFFENSE ISN'T
SUITED TO HIM, NO.
RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE TRYING TO
GET HIM TO WORK WITHIN THE
STRUCTURE, THE FRAMEWORK, TO GO
THROUGH HIS PROGRESSIONS AND
THOSE KIND OF THINGS, BUT IF IT
COMES TO THE POINT WHERE THEY
ARE GOING TO THROW HIM IN THERE
TO PLAY A FOOTBALL GAME, YOU
WILL SEE SOME JOHNNY FOOTBALL
PLAYER.
>> HOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE
OFFENSE?
HOW IS THAT LOOKING?
>> THE RUNNING GAME IS GOING TO
BE GOOD.
THE OFFENSIVE LINE IS GREAT.
ANY TIME YOU CAN START WITH A
REALLY REALLY GOOD OFFENSIVE
LINE, YOU DO HAVE SOME HOPE.
THEY HAVE THAT.
THEY HAVE A RUNNING GAME.
THEY HAVE SOME GOOD YOUNG BACKS.
THEY DO NEED SOMEBODY TO STEP UP
AND KIND OF TAKE THE JOB BUT
THEY HAVE A GOOD ASSORTMENT OF
BACKS THAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF
THE PASSING GAME, THAT IS A WORK
IN PROGRESS.
I THINK I LOOK OUT THERE AND I
SEE WHAT'S LACKING TO ME IS THAT
STAR RECEIVER THAT CAN JUST KIND
OF STRIKE FEAR IN THE HEART OF
THE DEFENSE.
YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW THAT'S
GOING TO GO.
BUT THEY DO HAVE SORT OF A
COLLECTION OF GUYS THAT CAN GET
THE JOB DONE BUT AGAIN, NOT A
SUPERSTAR THAT CAN GO OUT THERE
AND CATCH 12 TOUCHDOWN PASSES.
>> McCOWN SAID IF HE HAD KNOWN
JUST HOW GOOD THIS OFFENSIVE
LINE WAS, HE MIGHT NOT HAVE EVEN
TAKEN A TRIP TO BUFFALO ON A
FREE AGENT TOUR THAT HE DID
ABOUT FIVE, SIX WEEKS AGO.
ALEX MACK'S FUTURE, WHAT MIGHT
THAT BE MOVING FORWARD?
HE CAN OPT OUT AT THE END OF THE
SEASON.
>> WELL, HE'S HOLDING ALL THE
CARDS RIGHT NOW.
HE'S A GREAT SITUATION.
HE CAN EITHER STICK AROUND HERE
AND CONTINUE TO MAKE $8 MILLION
A YEAR OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS
AFTER THIS YEAR, OR HE CAN SAY
YOU KNOW WHAT, I DON'T REALLY
LIKE THE WAY THIS IS GOING AND I
THINK I CAN MAKE A LOT MORE
MONEY AND HAVE A BETTER
SITUATION AND I WANT TO GO
SOMEWHERE AND WIN A LOT OF
FOOTBALL GAMES, AND HE COULD PUT
HIMSELF OUT THERE ON THE OPEN
MARKET AFTER THIS SEASON.
SO HE'S GOT A GREAT THING GOING
BUT THE BROWNS HAVE CONTINGENCY
PLANS.
NUMBER 19 OVERALL, CAM IRVING,
CAN STEP IN THERE AND START AT
CENTER.
>> MARY KAY CABOT OF THE PLAIN
DEALER JOINING ME.
BEFORE I LET YOU GO, THE
CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN LeBRON
AND MANZIEL NOW HAS AN ACTUAL
PERSON IN MAVERICK CARTER
SUPPOSEDLY COUNSELING JOHNNY
MANZIEL RIGHT NOW.
WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THAT DEUCE?
>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU CAN
KIND OF SEE IT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT JOHNNY SITTING
COURTSIDE, QUITE OFTEN HE'S
SITTING THERE WITH MAVERICK
CARTER.
NOT ONLY HAS MAVERICK TAKEN HIM
UNDER HIS WING BUT LeBRON HAS AS
WELL.
SO WHEN JOHNNY'S IN TOWN, HE'S
GOT THOSE GUYS, THEY KIND OF
HAVE HIS BACK.
THERE IS SYNERGY GOING ON.
LeBRON CAME TO BROWNS PRACTICE
LAST YEAR.
THOSE GUYS REPRESENT HIM, LRMR
REPRESENTS JOHNNY.
THEY ARE TRYING TO HELP HIM AS
MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
AS FAR AS THE CAVS HAVE GONE,
IT'S JUST INCREDIBLE TO WATCH
LeBRON JAMES AND THIS BIG
JOURNEY HE IS ON FOR THE CITY OF
CLEVELAND.
>> WOULD THAT BE HIS GREATEST
ACHIEVEMENT, YOU THINK?
>> YEAH.
>> FORGET ABOUT COMING HOME AND
TAKING TO A TITLE.
COMING HOME AND TAKING TO A
TITLE AND HELPING MANZIEL BECOME
THE FOOTBALL VERSION OF HIM IN
THAT TOWN.
THE PROBLEM IS GETTING HIM TO
THAT POINT, MARY KAY.
THE STORY'S RIGHT THERE.
IT'S THERE FOR PEOPLE TO DISCUSS
AND PERHAPS DREAM ABOUT.
>> IT WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY
INCREDIBLE.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S JUST BEEN A
JOY TRULY TO WATCH LeBRON GO OUT
THERE EVERY NIGHT AND JUST GIVE
IT EVERYTHING HE HAS TO THE
POINT OF EXHAUSTION AND BEING
JUST SPENT AND I THINK ALSO
REALLY JUST BRINGING UP THE
LEVEL OF PLAY OF THE GUYS AROUND
HIM AND CHARACTER OF THE GUYS
AROUND HIM.
I LOOK AT KYRIE IRVING, HE HAS
SUCH A DIFFERENT DEMEANOR THAN
HE DID BEFORE LeBRON WAS HERE.
YOU HAVE J.R. SMITH SEEMS LIKE A
DIFFERENT GUY.
WHAT LeBRON IS DOING FOR THOSE
GUYS IS INCREDIBLE AND LIKE YOU
SAID, IF HE CAN DO THE SAME
THING FOR JOHNNY MANZIEL AND GET
JOHNNY TO THE POINT WHERE HE CAN
ACTUALLY PLAY THIS GAME AND BE
SUCCESSFUL, WHAT A LEGACY THAT
WOULD BE FOR LeBRON TO LEAVE.
>> THANKS FOR CALLING IN.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU.